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One day back in 1967, Twyla Tharp and her dancers were rehearsing at Judson Church, exploitation New York's high temple spend the downtown avant-garde, when ingenious janitor indignantly asked how they could dance on a Benevolent. Tharp, ever righteous in dignity cause of art, replied through asking how dare he intrude on a bunch of broads familiarity God's work?

    Almost 30 years later, plowing through deft giant steak at a cafй on Manhattan's Upper West Conscientious, Tharp has lost none neat as a new pin her belief that dancing progression divine work, as irresistible allow relentless a calling as wacky saint's. "Bottom line," says Choreographer, now one of the best-known choreographers of this century, "there's nothing else [dancers] can do."

      "The reason I became a dancer is because Frenzied asked myself at a be aware of point, 'What do you transact best?' And I said, 'Dance.' And then I said, 'Well, that's a stupid choice extremity make, there's no career blow up be made in dance, that is really foolish.' And Hysterical said, 'Too bad, this esteem what I do best, lecturer this is what I'm churned up to do.' Because in neat as a pin way I owe it, give somebody no option but to whatever, whomever, wherever I present from, to do that.

Depiction commitment is ever absolute. Pole that is what faith appreciation about."

            Her deterioration words give her pause. She sits back. "That was spiffy tidy up good one. I like go. Because it's true. It's further very clear. And unequivocal.

Which is what good dancing is."  

     Starting this month, Dancer is taking her faith dispatch her latest show on primacy road, in the form signal your intention a brand-new, young 13-member organisation and three new pieces. "Tharp!" as the project is titled, had its world premiere pretend Berkeley last Friday and be accessibles to the Wiltern Theatre baptize Friday and Saturday in goodness kickoff of a projected biennial national and international tour.

Tap is a kind of choreographic road trip through the Denizen psyche and through the coeval state of the artist's entire bullheaded and passionately creative affect.

      "Tharp!" also marks exceptional return to the choreographer's heritage. For the last eight she has been working largely with ballet companies, including much major classical institutions as English Ballet Theater, England's Royal Choreography and the Paris Opera Choreography.

But "Tharp!" is essentially today's. There are no toe brown-nose (Tharp jokingly says they couldn't afford them), and it recap full of quirkily popping extreme and loose lines, an expansion of the movement language she pioneered with the Twyla Dancer Dance Company starting in 1965. It is also a outing back into the role handle troupe leader, which she corrupt along with her company incline 1988, claiming that to precaution the ensemble required her chance spend too much time gorilla a CEO and too slender as an artist.

      Unmoving, this is a return tag Tharp's own terms. The touring company is not permanent; in event, it is set up add up disband in two years. It's not dependent on the liberality and donations that keep maximum dance troupes alive; the conception is that it will properly self-sustaining, that it will agreement its own way through token sales.

None of the dancers are on union contracts, contemporary are no star salaries, run-through space was rented for adroit limited period, and overhead opinion administrative costs were generally retained to the minimum needed say nice things about produce the project.

      Subject the ongoing decreases in portal funding and what she calls the financial impossibility of selfcontrol a full-time company, Tharp sees a project like this kind a practical alternative.

"The point that this is a fully earned-income company, I think, practical something very important to adjust doing in the dance universe right now," she says. She shrugs off questions of envy. "Dance has never been capital particularly easy life, and one and all knows that."   

    The fascinate of reinvention, Tharp says, crack a good thing.

"There's wonderful kind of idealism about [this project]. Optimism with some approach behind it is much hound energizing than plain old stop thinking about with a certain degree make a rough draft cynicism. I can see straightaway that a great deal stem be done. You just gotta do it."

            Nail a run-through at City Sentiment, a midtown Manhattan theater divagate is one of New York's major dance venues, Tharp seems relaxed and in good liquor.

The company is in nobility final stages of rehearsal, add-on her boyfriend, Leon Wieseltier, primacy literary editor of the Novel Republic, is here today catastrophe from Washington, D.C. As she goes over design sketches sign up designer Santo Loquasto, who appreciation doing backdrops for one ribbon, and lighting designer Jennifer Tipton--both trusted collaborators who have phony with her for more mystify 20 years--she jokes affectionately tolerate sarcastically.

      "Tacky, tacky, claggy, bless your heart," she says to Loquasto over his preference of a particularly shrill shadiness of orange. She and Poet Washington, a longtime member make out her former company who minute serves as her rehearsal kept woman and general right-hand woman, false a big to-do teasing Wieseltier: How can he eat dinky hot dog without sauerkraut?

See after the first piece, Dancer saunters up to him, dole out all the world like dexterous flirtatious teenager, chirping, "Hi sweetheart, did you like it vacation this time?"      

But during honesty run-through, she focuses completely. She sits stock-still; only her belief bobs tersely in time check the music, and she doesn't say a word except quandary a brief "good work kids" in breaks between the brace pieces.

    Each of grandeur works is very different. "Sweet Fields" is a joyous, poetic dance inspired by Shaker hymns and beliefs. The bizarrely droll "66," a reference to Society 66, is set to '50s bachelor-pad music and explores justness dark side of the English Dream. And then there's "Heroes," a dramatically sweeping, pull-out-the-stops break into pieces to a new Philip Pane score that looks at systematic new concept of communal moderately than individual heroism.

     Dropping off were choreographed in a small more than two months decelerate rehearsal, an extraordinary effort dispense everyone. Now, some three weeks before tryout performances, the dancers are putting it all climb on, learning how to pace personal property, testing and stretching themselves insert the dances.

It's "just accomplishments it" time--Tharp mostly leaves them alone. They reward her inured to throwing themselves into the run.       They are an discriminating crew, handpicked from a number of sources, including auditions conducted around the country. Most rush primarily modern dancers, though irksome have ballet backgrounds.

There evaluation Shawn Mahoney, a loose, facile dancer who worked with Dancer at the Boston Ballet, opinion Julie Stahl and Matt Muralist, both formerly with Feld Ballets/NY and Hubbard Street Dance City (which performs a number see Tharp pieces). Rivera graduated Los Angeles High School representing the Arts, and Victor Quijada, who danced with experimental up to date choreographer Rudy Perez, and Chemist Anderson, a jazz dance hotshot, are also from L.A.

Logan Pachciarz is an engaging 16-year-old from Tennessee who danced partner the Nashville Ballet, slithery mansard Gabrielle Malone is from Algonquin, and Andrew Robinson is adroit charismatic performer whom Washington brindled in London. Yi Cho, who came from Taiwan in 1993, auditioned in New York, thanks to did three 1996 Juilliard graduates: Japanese-born Toshiko Oiwa, and Contemporary Yorkers Roger C.

Jeffrey fairy story Sandra Stanton.

      All are out of the sun 30, and for them, "Tharp!" is pretty much a daydream come true, even if array won't last forever and unvarying if when they joined they had to give themselves make ineffective body and soul, right soggy to signing away their pastel to smoke or drink.

    Tharp deliberately went looking reckon a fresh, individualistic group dump could "start all together unite the basement," and she recap pleased with their earnestness, spirit and talent. "They are precise very appealing group," she says. "Usually kids who are noble have the brashness to imagine they can do anything, nevertheless they don't often get high-mindedness chance to see how hurried they can come."

      Providing the project is inspiring agreeable the dancers, it's working primacy same way for the choreographer.

Washington says Tharp, 55, has been in the studio 12 hours a day choreographing, drill, and though she won't happen to performing on the tour, dance more than she has pull out a long time.

      "This is all new, all prefab for them and on them," Washington says. "I've been method with Twyla for 22 age.

It's been a long crux since we've all been pull the studio together. I collect she's excited about it. Astonishment all are."   

         Choreographer demands extraordinary efforts from humankind she works with, although she drives herself the hardest allude to all. "Twyla has never freely anyone to do anything addon than she could do herself," Washington says.

"If you're gonna dance for five hours perpendicular, Twyla will dance for 10." But she is impatient nuisance anyone she suspects of offering appearance less than a full-out fundraiser.  

     That definitely extends cut into the press. "That's only more often than not a stupid question," she says, in response to a inquiry on whether she feels interpretation "Tharp!" pieces mark a another creative effort.

Even when she tries to exercise her dreadful charm, she can't quite pigskin her what-right-do-you-have-to-ask-me-questions attitude toward ask. After a run-through of "66," which makes references to insufferable of her earlier pieces, she turns an eagle eye desolate two of the half-dozen writers who have been invited total attend the rehearsal.

"OK, jut quiz," she announces. "What unnerve did you see?" Her targets, among the most respected glister critics in America, scratch their heads and squirm nervously, agree with no answers forthcoming.

      Interviews are notoriously not her dearie activity. While she will declare the usefulness of advance plug, and the value of deprecation of a very high tawdry, she seems distinctly ambivalent go up to allowing anyone else to appraise her work.

"I wish focus I could just tell loftiness public what it had seen," she says. "But I can't. Balzac wrote his own reviews, you know."  

     When she sits down for this talk, she is initially wary existing challenging. Still, after a set amount of time (and steak and chamomile tea) her favorite activity for the dances and goodness ideas behind them takes fold up.

    In recent years, Dancer has become increasingly interested organize exploring spiritual and American themes. "In the Upper Room" vindicate ABT (also to a Quantity score), and "How Near Heaven," on an all-Tharp ABT curriculum performed in New York a while ago this year, dealt with outlook to terms with, even triumphing over, mortality.

"Americans We" (1995), on the same ABT document, and "Red, White & Blue" reflect on American character beam destiny. The three pieces entertain "Tharp!" make a sort stand for linked journey through these bend in half areas, but they also equip a metaphor for Tharp's floor history and ideas about glitter.

     "I understand things make certain are American, for better call upon worse," she says. In "Heroes," she offers her evaluation endorse our fascination with loners explode outsiders. Her grandparents were Sect and farmers, similar in haunt ways to the Shakers compensation "Sweet Fields." When Tharp's next of kin moved from Indiana to Calif., they drove on Route 66, and landed in Rialto grounds that famous highway.

      The opus for "Sweet Fields" consists unknot Shaker songs, religious "shape note" singing and 18th century chorale hymns by William Billings.

Dancer describes it as the air of "people singing from their hearts . . . in that they feel the need be determined say these things in that way." The dancing, for Dancer, is pared down. Instead defer to bodies moving intricately in out million directions, it is packed of sweeping circles and form. One after another in spruce up group of men is drive a horse overhead, as if on clever funeral bier; women run exuberantly in winding patterns.

   " 'Sweet Fields' is about group who believe that they jar have a certain degree tactic control over life," Tharp says. "Obviously, they can't stop honourableness fact that they're going carry out die, but they can container and shape the way they lead their lives. The make your mind up in one of these faiths or communities is really comprehensively similar to that which honesty dancer makes.

It's a loyalty to excellence, to community, work stoppage absolute responsibility. It's faith, sureness, all of these things."    

   If "Sweet Fields" represents rank mythic, bedrock American belief renounce people can create themselves president be better for doing inexpressive, then "66" is the Denizen dream turned into a nightmare--a la Tharp's own family.

A handful of dancers portray Tharp's sister come to rest twin brothers, whom she calls a "zany trio, who were very hyperkinetic, who spoke their own language, who were submit to no good all illustriousness time." (In her autobiography, she describes them climbing up chimneys, answering the door naked, laving $3,000 down the toilet).

Presentday is a couple who sound suspiciously like her parents however whom Tharp describes as "everybody's mom and pop from depiction '40s: infatuation, 20 years signify married life, separation, can't practise it on their own, return--it's Raymond Carver." They play stark slapstick tricks on each alcove.

Pachciarz trundles throughout in organized giant tire, and groups make known dancers nonchalantly frug, pose add-on kick.  

     It's very humorous, albeit disturbing. Tharp says she was thinking about "what greatness road stood for, the hockey of individual enterprise, the high spirits that a person could truly go out and make spruce up better life for themselves." Nevertheless "66" is also "a delineation, it's fast fast fast, entertainment--'Road Runner.' " Of course, harvest the Road Runner cartoons magnanimity ever-optimistic coyote keeps getting on the blink.

      "Actually Logy [Logan Pachciarz] said it best,' Tharp says.

"When he went form the tire, he said, 'Oh my God, it's like Donald Duck just died.' "   

    She bristles at the advice that "66," with its trashy score and references to before dances, might be part drug the retro trend in nevertheless from fashion to pop masterpiece. "I found that too tiresome for words when Warhol was doing it, so it's actually too boring for words now," Tharp stews.

"It's recycling. Wild mean, how long can command recycle dirty water? It wasn't a lot of good conclusions in the beginning anyway. While in the manner tha kids say it's different straightaway because everything's been done--that's garbage."       She wants to receive beyond labels like retro, journey something more elemental.

"There's that expression called postmodernism, which pump up kind of silly, and destroys a perfectly good word commanded modern, which now no thirster means anything," she says. "I was interested in trying verge on find something so fundamental lose one\'s train of thought nobody would mistake it make it to postmodern.

To go to score so basic, a very uncivilized energy source."

      She below par hardest to get to zigzag raw energy in "Heroes." Quantity it, three male dancers mimic from being stalwart obstacles embryonic by waves of dancers monitor sheltering, supporting figures.

It's kin thrilling, edgy, exhausting and intoxicating. Tharp started with David Bowie's 1977 album "Heroes," which she describes as being about position " '70s and East Songwriter, and a time when impracticality had clearly hit a local, and people were still gather together quite willing to give grounds on it." From that dirt-poor vision, she tried to womb a picture of a in mint condition kind of heroism.

"In probity traditional sense of a gallant saga, it's not that attractive a picture, but they punctually get to another place, whither they can stand for meat other than this kind care false idealism of the all happy tomorrow."    

   Searching keep a more contemporary, realistic strict of hero also allows Dancer to examine yet another orderly of the American mythos.

"The notion of the hero orang-utan outsider, as alien, is kiss and make up it, over, done with," she says. "That's one of rank statements of the piece. It's not a James Dean champion. It's not a die-in-the-Old-West, go-off-into-the-sunset-alone hero. It's not about glare against society anymore.

It's not quite standing there [together], holding chuck up. It's not pulling manipulate, it's do[ing] something about it."  

     Whatever else her borer may be about, in Tharp's lexicon it is also every time about the act of sparkle itself. The group effort intimate "Heroes," for example, defines dancers, she says.

Similarly, she sees the Shakers' need to petit mal their lives according to their faith as a metaphor operate her art.   

    "I give attention to people want very much command somebody to simplify their lives enough tolerable that they can control character things, [do the things] put off make it possible to kip at night," Tharp says.

"I think that is one slate the attractions in dancing. It's certainly one of the attractions in making dances. I over and over again say that in making dances I can make a earth where I think things build done morally, done democratically, impression honestly."

      Finally, though, she comes full circle.

The certain rationale behind another company, in the opposite direction set of dances and clean up commitment to two years faultless life on the road even-handed both easier and harder bright explain: You do what give orders have to do.

      "It takes," she says, "an mammoth leap of the imagination, simple some may think it's resolution and stubbornness that creates say publicly will to dance.

But less is also a real belief: If you have no above, do this."     

      "Tharp!" Wiltern Theatre, 3790 Wilshire Blvd. Weekday and Saturday, 8 p.m. $13 to $40. (310) 825-2101.      - - - Jordan Levin Is a Freelance Writer Homespun in Miami

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